Energies

Thank you for clearing that up.

I love how Babaji ordered us to be happy. But wouldn't that emphasize that what we think or focus on, we attract? I think he was trying to explain that ideology also.

As for being bored during pujahs. As I said via mail, if you can really feel and I mean really feel the presence of the deities (especially the ones we actually love and adore), the boredom would be cut down while doing them.

Of course karma goes on from this life to future ones and from past ones to this. What I stressed was that most bad experiences we make are NOT caused by our actual state of mind, or by "attracting what you are" at present time. I stres this so much because I know how people, even spiritual ones, use the above-named dogma for unfair defense in discussions, to humiliate others, and to ward off demands!

To make it more precise, some examples.

When I joined Babaji people I asked some questions about risks of "surrendering" oneself to a Guru, could he not misuse this? The only answer was "you think too much" or "you think negative." Did this mean that I attracted criticism because I deserved criticism - as those inner-circle Babaji devotees probably thought? Surely not! My question was right from the view of common sense. They just did not want to answer on the level of common sense, and had no idea of an intelligent answer on another level, and thus used that phrase of "you think negative."

At another time I reflected about a saying supposedly coming from Babaji: "Be happy, this is an order" and I thought, if this is meant literally and why should he mean it otherwise, then I MUST meke meself feel happy no matter whether this is correct as to common sense, which I just can't do! If I keep feeling happy instead of getting angry and compassionate when facing a case of injustice, for example, how can I still be helpful? It would be madness to react this way! But he will see every moment in which I do not feel happy as a kind of sin, and punish me, if he really said this, and meant it... But I know so well that I can't switch happiness on like a light bulb, and most people can't do this too... And what about my feeling bored during poojah, this must be still worse than just being not happy... Will he hate me for it?
I asked devotees these questions but what came as an answer? "I think Babaji did just say be happy" said one. Another said again I were thinking negative. This accusation however felt like a pretext - a cheat to conceal not-knowing. His saying was not a "you attract negativity that you have yourself" case, but a much more mundane thing - a banal phrase of helplessness!
An important dream I once had about Babaji telling me "don't panic, this is only a picture" when I had accidentally thrown over a Shiva statue, was some time after this futile question about the "Be-Happy" quotation. It was only at this single time when I saw the Master in a dream - never before, never after. I am sure he sent the dream to free me from such doubts - but I understand it only by now, almost 20 years afterwards.

An analogous thing happened also when I asked "what motivation comes from God and what from the Ego, how can I discern this?"
The most intelligent answer was that this were a difficult question!
Did this mean that I attracted such a reaction because of being too difficult in my thought patterns and that I had to become more simple? Certainly not! One of those devotees even called me a pattern of simplicity.
According to what I NOW know about human nature, they were simply unable to go far enough in thinking to see that Ego is only a word, a mental construction, designed by priests to discourage certain attitudes in Man, as Pride, Hatred, and Envy.
In fact Man "has" neither an Ego nor "is" he an Ego; he is just a bunch of functions of biology and psychology (including all those natural Ego functions which can be either good or bad). This bundle of life functions is bound to the body and thus mortal - but it is guided by a soul, immortal but not infallible, which keeps total memory of whatever it lived, and which can be oriented toward the Good, or toward the Bad. The soul is motivated to this orientation by where it expects more happiness (most souls oriented to Evil must be young ones, for Evil most of the time does NOT pay off) and thus able to change ways by overcoming ignorance, by learning where real happiness is to find. That's all. Had they left off the whole dumb Ego discussion I'd have understood them better!

So now all readers here re-read the former comment - and go and combat those wrong uses of spiritual phrases which I came to experience. The highest purpose of these experiences must have been to make me a witness of wrong ways, who has enough of the gift of differentiated speech to explain what exactly is the wrong thing and thus help wipe mistakes of thought out.

Karmic penance surely is another aspect of those bad experiences but not the most important one. For a mature human soul the highest purposes always will be those which are useful for the Wholeness, not those which are only useful for one's individual well-being - even in its spiritual aspects.

This was an interesting read.

I am of the opinion that karma can go on to other lives from our past lives.

I think the Hindus best explain this. If you live wickedly you may come back a roach and so forth. But I think that was a symbolic view.

I am convinced that this teaching of "you attract what you are" is WRONG if seen as fitting to the one present incarnation in which one lives.
From the perspective of many incarnations it should be correct however.
I was given so many negative feed-backs for nothing or for pure misunderstandings during my childhood, and sometimes also later, that if I had deserved this in this present life I should have been, at least as a kid, some kind of sub-human monster - which I was not. But in at one past life I recall I probably was a monster - involved in cruel Inquisition, and this explains it all. I am sure that most bad experiences one makes are NOT determined by his/her present state of mind, or present attitude, but by past-life karma.

Moreover most people can NOT switch emotions on and off like a light-bulb! If you demand this from an average person you overtax him/her, in worst case up to making the person mentally ill. It is dangerous wishful thinking. There have been many such cases, caused by sectarian groups which are convinced that everybody has full control over emotions if he/she just wants it, such as Scientology.

And, last not least, if Society takes up this dogma of "you get what you deserve" and uses it as a weapon against poor and mistreated ones to keep them off begging for mercy, or for help, it would be worse than Nazi propaganda. If driven to the extreme such a dogma would mean that everyone who has an accident has wanted this bad luck him/herself, and to punish the poor victim for this alleged wish, aditionally to the harm that it suffered. There even have been several American sci-fi stories which turn around exactly this perversion of the law of Karma!

I thus warn all spiritual people, with all my might, not to misinterpret tle law of Karma, and not to disbelieve in what normal people feel in most of their cases of bad luck: "Why me? I didn't do wrong!" It would be unnecessary cruelty to tell such people anything else - for from the normal time perspective they are right! They really did not do wrong - shortly before the bad luck, or even during the whole life in which the bad luck happened; but in some far remote past they must have done some sin, for which they had to do penance later.

It is well known, moreover, that only those with very good karma make the experience that bad actions and thoughts "revenge themselves" after such a short time that they recognize it themselves as a penance, and can use it for repentance. In most of us a wrong way shows itself as wrong much too late - often even too late to change. And most of us are so easy to deceive, by others and themselves, that they can be misled into the worst crimes, murder, rape and robbery, just by telling them they will be heroes, or they will go to Paradise, as a reward for them, for the victims are "just Nonbelievers", "just Jews", "just Negroes"... History is full of examples!

To conclude: those who can switch by will to positive thought, and have that amount of success with it from the start which Thebigm reports, are fortunate ones who have many lives of Pray-and-Work of the ordinary kind in background. It is OK to try to achieve this but if one has not that success it is no sign of inferiority. It just means stick to Pray-and-Work, you still are in this stage, later more gifts of God will come too.

Agree with you 100%.

I think what this video is getting at is that 99% of people in the world just go about their lives completely unaware that the emotions and feelings they are giving off are creating the life that's around them. If they knew 'The Secret', they could erradicate those feelings and change their life (good lesson) and make themselves filthy rich at the same time (bad lesson).

It's no wonder it's so easy to get caught up in a cycle of negativity. 😊

Thank you for the link.

I think people should not think of it in a materialistic way. If that was true, we ALL would have been filthy rich 😊

Rashida - here is a link to the first 20 minutes or so:

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1GKGWJbE8

I think you will find that it reinforces what you believe already, but everyone in the video appears to be advertsing it as and using it as a way to improve your life from a completely material perspective.

This is the part that I hate, however, I think the message is good. Just that if you could actually use the message for more than just advancing your material wealth.

Thank you for your accounts.
I believe you attract what you are. I see focusing on happiness as a way to lift your vibrational energies. And too besides, when I do this, my day feels better even when I am stressed 😊

I should look for the video though.

I started thinking about this a lot recently when I stumbled across a video called, "The Secret". Now, I hate this video, I think the way it is portrayed is absolutely horrible. It's a complete Western portrayal of how to use energies in order to make your life more prosperous. For example, if you focus on positivity and being rich and having a big house, there is more chance that it will happen.

So, after I watched it, I wanted to take a shower, because surely if you believed in such energies and power you'd concentrate your focus and feelings on making things better for everyone.

Regardless, I took from the message that from that sense, I am in control of my hapiness and to an extent, destination. If I am happy and think happy thoughts and focus on good energy, I will attract better energies around me.

So, that day I signed up to do some charity work for the first time and also walked about feeling completely happy inside. I then went on my lunch break and walked around the city with a slight smile on my face but inside I was completely projecting happiness.

It's amazing how many people actually smile when they walk past you when you are giving out that kind of energy.

I agree, the term 'karma' in this situation is silly. It should of just be called simply the point system.

A month ago, I was chatting with a cool poster who does not be on this site anymore.
The dicussion was on immortality. Now I know nothing about immortality. But I do know that our thought patterns influence the way that we age.

Hi Birdzgoboom, I love your comment and I am happy about your greetings. See my e-mail address in my Profile - if you want to mail me don't restrain yourself.
As to the "karma points" (what a nonsense to name it this way, Karma is Justice but this has nothing to do with it) I already gave comment, and Rashidah too.

A few kids did that because I put them in there place when they were acting immature. That just shows that they still have not grown up. The pampers industry must be blooming still.

On the subject of entities feeding. I believe that there are many here on earth feeding off of the human race's negative energies. And they will do anything to keep it that way. That is why we as a people have to dwell on positive thoughts.

Yes I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but I did not know of the phrase my words any better.

This is a classical case of vampyrism at work.

Thanks for enlightening us some more ❤

[at] Rashidah and NaturalScience

Hello. It's been a while. I would like to know how you have -50 some karma points on here? A few weeks ago you had 100+ points. What happened there? I do not believe you should have negative points... You are a very wise poster and know what you are talking about.

Also: I agree with this story. It is in fact true. Most people who are either very negative or highly religious end up being attacked and fed on by negative entities. They enjoy making your life a "living Hell." That is what they know and that is what they enjoy, simple as that; and if you let and entity willingly knock you down like that (which would be more possible of happening if you are negative) it can have very, very bad side affects, and it will also attract more negativity.

I am a Christian, a Lutheran. Even I believe that this is how things like demonic oppression, possession, and just plain evil entities sapping your energy happens. I do not see why you were voted down on this means. 😕 I agree with you completely. It is just logical. 😊

[at] NaturalScience

I would really enjoy talking with you sometime. You seem like a very down-to-earth, wise person. I agree with your views on most of your posts as well. I hope you see this post, as I believe that you are a very... Good person to be able to talk to. 😊

Rashidah: I agree with you though my feelings are slightly different... I believe that negativity is around us always, as well as positivity... By not allowing negativity to invade our lives we create a barrier against negative influences...

NaturalScience: I believe Rashidah is speaking on a personal level... The laws of attraction can't be applied to an entire race of people... Both of the races you've mentioned suffered by the hands of ignorant bigots... Something that, unfortunately, continues to this day... Until the day we can all put aside our differences and bigotry there will be those who suffer... Got nothing to do with "karma",or bad luck, or attracting negativity...It's humanity, and we have our faults...

Thank you for your post NaturalScience. I think that my stories are a bit heavy for most posters here. I keep forgetting the age group on this site.

Well nevertheless, the spirit world is like that. When you focus on negativity, negative beings you will surely attract.

But you brought up some very good points. In life there is a thing called karma. People suffer from it when they do bad, but however the innocent can have bad stuff happen to them also. You are right about that.

As for the Holocaust. I believe that should never have happened. Just as I believe that the Je... Hebrews should have never killed out nations just because they serve other deities.
You understand where I am going with this right 😉

Correction! First sentence of my comment should have been thus: "because you have some similar negativity in yourself or because you expect such things". I was in hurry while writing the comment

There are many who believe that if one treats you badly you have "attracted" the negativity because they have some similar negativity in themselves or because they expect such things - an esoteric "dogma" I always rejected for how, for example, could the Holocaust victims have "attracted the negativity" of the Nazis, or the whole of "Negroes" the exploitation by the Whites? What do you know about this idea - and about valid arguments to combat it as it seems to be counter-productive in highest degree, making unlucky ones feel guilty in addition to their bad luck!?