Comments for Elemental Abilities And Entities 2: Page 1

Well honestly most shielding is energy itself. It is no great shakes for me to scrape energy off the walls of somebody's shielding for my own uses. Something... How can I describe it... Reflective? Would be the most effective method of shielding. If I can't get a grip on it I can't tear pieces off. People make the mistake of thinking that I'm after their pranic source. A shield, especially a poorly constructed one, is a readily available energy source. I mean, its being presented to you on a platter, you know?

Although unshielded people are somewhat of a buffet. For people that are unshielded I try to just smooth off their energy spikes. You do, though, have to be careful. In the case of somebody with bipolar disorder they tend to continue spiking long after their aura should've smoothed out.

As for my code of ethics it's not something I've ever tried to write down, but I suppose I could. Its more something I've developed over time, something that changes depending on circumstances.

For example, normally I try to avoid dealing with people long distance, as you never know for certain if you have everything under control. Recently, however, I met a girl on an irc chat that had recently gone through a messy breakup. She was really bad, considering suicide. She lived about 5000 miles away, but I couldn't very well turn my back on that. So I, with her understanding, started working on her. Keeping tabs on it wasn't super easy, so I sent her a psionic entity to act as a massage therapist (which she appreciated), something to stay with her at night so she didn't feel alone and as somewhat of an umbilical so that I could keep track of her state at all times. In such a circumstance it was something I could feel comfortable working with. And she really appreciated feeling me around her all the time. She is since much improved.

psinguine, I'm sorry I'm used to talking to people about these things in the spirit realm where so many things are so easier. Human language and communication is so lacking. I think it is a natural thing for people to do and people have forgotten and thus forgotten the manners and protocol associated with it. I'm glad you are learning control and developed your own ethics. Perhaps you could email me a code of ethics I can help teach the younger generation to understand? I'm trying to compile a guide book similar to what science textbookds do for the material world. We need something that explains the natural laws of the spirit world. I was hoping people at this site would be willing to collaborate on the project.

Psinguine, your posts have definately piqued my curiousity! 😆 I think it's great that you've refined your skill. However, there are quite a few people who don't even realize they're energy vampires. These are the ones I have trouble blocking, as by the time I realize why I'm being zapped and drained of all positivity, it's too late 😊. My question for you is: what kind of shield do you have the most difficuly penetrating?

That actually is an important clarification ananda, and I thank you for it. I will admit that in learning to control my hunger, my drive to consume, I was not always careful. It is easy to develop an ego when you are young, and I was apt to wield it like a butcher knife as opposed to the scalpel it's intended to be. Nor was I overly choosy. Coming across somebody at the manic end of a bipolar cycle was like having ambrosia be thrown into your mouth and being told not to swallow.

But you get older, and you refine. You grow morals and develop a code of ethics. You learn to give back when you've got a little extra. Hit crowds when you can, weddings because there's plenty to go around and funerals because taking the edge off the grief helps everyone. I personally don't think we were ever intended to be predators, although that's what some do with it. I think we're meant to be doctors.

So when it seemed like there was a general lumping going on I got a little tiffed. I see I was mistaken as to the extent of the feelings about it. My apologies for jumping down your throat.

I've always thought of the human body as a universe unto itself. That each individual cell has a soul or life spark and that we as humans are caretakers of thousands of cells/souls. I'm still developing the idea, but I wonder if we would be able to communicate with our cells conciously and convince them to change form. There is a mediative practice I learned about in Tibetian Buddhism where the pratictioner mediates on purifying the different energies that make up the human body and upon their death there is no body but thousand of rainbows.

Yes--in short Spirit is just "energy" like the other elements. Spirit is OUR higher-self...only a few (and with practice) can access it. It is our TRUE-SELF.

SPIRIT: The Quintessence
"The concept of the microcosmic world of Man as analogous to the macrocosm, the greater universe of spirit and elemental matter became a part of traditional western occult teaching, as it had long been in eastern philosophies.

"As above, so below". The pentagram, the 'Star of the Microcosm', symbolized Man within the macrocosm, representing in analogy the Macro-cosmic universe.

The upright pentagram bears some resemblance to the shape of man with his legs and arms outstretched. Its similar proportion and shows the five planets and the moon at the center point - the genitalia. Other illustrations of the period by Robert Fludd and Leonardo Vinci show geometric relationships of man to the universe. Later, the pentagram came to be symbolic of the relationship of the head to the four limbs and hence of the pure concentrated essence of anything (or the spirit) to the four traditional elements of matter - earth, water, air and fire - spirit is The Quintessence."

When I say it, I mean in terms of nature, like fire, and things related to that. I'm not sure if "spirit" is apart of it so I'm asking.

bbdeath what do YOU define as an "element"? I'm not sure we are using the same set of vocabulary words. Just wanted a point of clarification.

So as I said before... Is spirit an elemental "element" or no... And I understand perfectly what you are saying.

Also, I found
"Spirit: Is represented by the topmost point of the star, and is symbolic of Deity the Divine, and the All that Is.

The Circle around the star represents sacred space, in which the spirit (the fifth element and top-most point of the star) controls the four earthly elements.

The upper fifth point can be seen as the ruler of the higher mind over the lower elements of our being. It can be visualized as the awakening of our conscious mind to the beginnings of our own human psyche, and then moving beyond the realms of physical form and our limited five senses, to explore the infinite possibilities that exist within the Universe."

Http://www.controverscial.com/Pentagram%20-%20Pentacle.htm

This is so true for me... Last month I was trying get my spirit-guides to help me with a question and they said, "Talk with your Higher-self." I didn't understand at the time but was upset that they didn't want to or have the time to help me.
Then the other night my soul-mates Higher-self told me I like to do everything by myself since I get more satisfaction out of it. Its also a point-system for those who don't already know, when spirits help you they take some of those points away. However when you figure it out yourself you get all those points and move up in the spiritual ladder!

Rook & BBdeath,
There are a lot of sites out there that talk about Spirit being one of the 5 Elements.
Pentagram:
"The upward point of the star is representative of the Spirit. The other four points represent the Elements of Air, Water, Fire and Earth.
The circle touching all 5 points indicates that the Spirit, Air, Water, Fire and Earth are connected." Spirit UNITES all 4 elements.

SPIRIT: (or aether) and Also known as Akasha. The name is derived from the Sanskrit word "kash" which means to shine or radiate. It's also another word for Spirit, the omnipresent immutable source of all energy. It's the domain of promise, potential and paths to be traveled. The energy permeates the Universe, the primal source that creates and nourishes the elements.

Colors are white, purple and black. Akasha is transcendence. Elemental spirits are angels. Much else about this spiritual element is, yet, unknown or undefined. While some other traditions recognize this element, Akashan Witchcraft is a new tradition.
Thanks--you guys made me do my homework & I've learned a lot already!
Im still trying to figure out what ALL this means myself (as far as Elements), but I HAVE met my higher-self...she was very child-like & Beautiful. I AM connected to God, we all are- we each need to remember "how" since we forgot after accumulated life-times from the Veil. I've seen the world I'm from and there's beautiful mountains contrasting with an Emerald Green sky. Funny since this is my Aura.

Read more at Suite101: The Five Elements: Fire, Earth, Air, Water and Akasha http://www.suite101.com/content/the-five-elements-a49804#ixzz19KsGa1wE

Http://www.angelfire.com/id/robpurvis/pentagram.html

Http://www.crystalmoonlight.bravehost.com/elements.htm

Http://hubpages.com/hub/5-Elements

Http://www.magicspells.in/the_elements_and_wicca.htm

Http://www.important.ca/wicca_religion_five_elements.html

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bbdeath, I haven't mastered flying in this realm yet but the Tibetain Rinpoche's are said to be able to. I've had the honor of meeting some in New Mexico while I was learning Tibetain debate and Sanskrit. Right now I can only give astral lessons. But eventually I hope to master the technique.

ok psing I think w have a misunderstand concerning the definition of vampire. There are two types of being that take energy from people: one with the motive to help relieve their suffering and help heal them and the other to just takes it selfishly to use as they want for their own whim. I call the second "vampires" I'm sorry perhaps I should have said succubus?

RiteFate, thanks so much for your post this is more like the conversation I dreamt of years ago. I too believe that spirit is an element. I've found a hebrew word for it..."nephesh" translated "life principle" found in Genesis 1 v. 29-30 I believe that "yom" translated one natural day = night/day means waking/sleeping or Father/Mother or creating/nurturing

I'm forming an email study group if anyone want to do some extra reading. I'm retranslating the Bible via use of the spirit realm and reading the young adult fiction book: "the Lightning Thief" by Rick Riordan

Peace to all

Ananda when you say how to fly,: how to fly as was taught to me by my grandfather. They have been my life long friends, should I abandon them to pyschic vampires?

Do you mean fly astrally? Or do you mean fly in "real" life -_-.

O_O I've never heard of spirit being an element... I don't think it is, unless by element they mean something else, like element of a human or so, because we are talking about nature elements here like fire and stuff O_O. Do you think spirit could be another word for like, Light or Wind or something?

RiteFate,

Well met and Welcome. You have used a term for 'Spirit' that I am unfamiliar with. You say... (I'll quote so there is no misunderstanding...)

"I was told the Element I hold is "spirit" & that I'm very pure in this element"

Spirit as an Element... Hummm a curious statement indeed.

Definition...

Spirit: 1. The principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.
2. The incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.
3. The soul regarded as separating from the body at death.
4. Conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.
5. A supernatural, incorporeal being, esp. One inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits.
6. A fairy, sprite, or elf.
7. An angel or demon.

I do not feel that 'Spirit' is an Element though it is a very important part of 'who we are'.

I think to describe the situation you are in would be to say you have a very STRONG Spirit and because of your Good Heart and Pure intentions you (a part of you) are close to the veil between worlds and you are able to draw on Energies from 'the others side' to help 'Heal' others... This is your gift.

As I stated I have never heard of 'Spirit' being described as Element and I've been a Solo Practicing Witch (Wiccan... For 11 years) to being an Ordained Teacher / Priesthood holder in the Church I chose to join (for 19 years now).

I'm glad you came here to seek answers, I hope this helps in some small way and please ask any questions you may have right here or e-mail me via the link in my Profile, but be warned I may bring up pieces parts of what is discussed here in the open forum so that many may benefit from our discussion. (You will be kept anonymous if you wish if this is the case...)

Respectfully,

Rook

Ananda, I've read the threads and your page... To say I agree with most of what you say however there IS balance that needs to be addressed. I myself have witness a demon during AP that 'flew' in AND I even had battled with a psychic-vampire who was depleting me of my white-matter or positive energy. Read my post on anothers thread concerning "demons" and how I was shown to protect myself. And YES there are some psychic-vampires who don't know what there doing (stealing others energy) unintentional, BUT there are some who do it for fun and don't care who they hurt! These people are disrupting peoples mission and if they can't complete it there is Karma to pay!

Regardless, Ananda I have found that Fear feeds them and your giving them power by allowing them to do so! Raise your vibrations to a higher 'love' frequency and they can't touch you. Only think positive. I have been told by my soul mates higher-self that we are indeed transferring over to the 5th dimension. Materialist non-spiritualist will be stuck in 3d, however we are already in the 4d gradually switching to 5d. According to Ra, the Law of One, Negatives CANNOT touch us in 5d because they can't vibrate at that high level. This is why there is SO much demonic & angelic activity in recent years... They know there time is ending and can't control us. They are scared! Lol

Rebuke ALL negative energy for you and safety of your kids. I find a lot of similarities between us so excuse me for imposing... I too have 2 kids a husband, I'm about to be 28, got my BA in Communication Disorders to work with children with speech therapy. I am a healer learning how to work my energy exchange properly. I believe in Jesus and ironically in a dream/vision he gave me a rod under a tree where it was struck by LIGHTENING! I believe in NO coincidences or unexplained sychronicities. If you Dreamth of being here, then your where your suppose to be. Don't let anyone second guess yourself, but also remember Balance is needed to protect those closest to you. I have been through a great deal myself but have found my true-purpose through the heart. I also believe most religions are incomplete so the heart has to FILL in the rest...

The reason I'm on this thread is that I was told the Element I hold is "spirit" & that I'm very pure in this element. Most people have a little bit of each but I have only spirit because this makes me stronger. However we still need to learn a little bit of each for it to help each other. I was hoping the OP could enlighten me on this Subject? I'm very unique & organized in my thoughts that I can only see ONE block at a time or put another way can only concentrate on ONE thing at a time when conversing with others in person. Sometimes I get over-whelmed if there's too much going on. At the same time I evolve quickly since for some reason it's the difficult things that are easier for me (like science) & the mundane easy things can be confusing at times.

It's late so I hope for some response but will be going to sleep now. Thank you

Light/Love

I just want to point out that being a vampire does not make a person evil. I go from story to story, and everywhere I turn I find Ananda attacking vampires. It doesn't matter the discussion, it just eventually and inevitably comes up. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be the knee jerk reaction of lumping all of the breed under "leech" and calling it a day. For the sake of saving this conversation from flying out of control I will gladly move this bone I am picking to another location, but I'm sure everyone here knows what it feels like to be annoyed.

you can close your heart to the cries of the afflicted and oppressed that is your choice, but I would have appreciated help in my childhood and refuse to be scared into turning a blind eye to injustice. Don't tell me everything is wonderful tonight.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUfgAbFY4CA

because I have been dreaming of this website and some of the people here since I was three years old and I've visited their dreams and taught some of them how to fly as was taught to me by my grandfather. They have been my life long friends, should I abandon them to pyschic vampires?

Personally, if my children were being "attacked" as a result of my involvement with some silly website, I would find a new hobby and leave the silly website alone. If you truly believe your kids are in danger by your presence here, why are you still here? Although I don't believe anyone here could hurt your kids, you clearly do. If I believed what you claim to, I wouldn't be here.

sorry rook and anyone else I may appear "preachy" to but my kids were undergoing physical attacks: headaches, day time terrors or visions of people trying to "eat them" and many other things. That really freak me out. My grandfather who is my spirit guide told me its source was this site. I was trying to find the person who was attacking my family. Sorry if my flushing out methods offends bystanders but for me, my whole life has been a war. I've had visions since I was 3 not because of my own power, but because my father molested me at that time and I asked my Heavenly father to same me so judge me if you must but know that I AM beloved of Heaven or the darkness would have killed me by now. It has tried every day of my life. Now it attacks my children, what would you have me do?

AnandaHya,

I do not have an issue with you. Our advice and opinions will be tempered by our Religion and or Personnel Belief systems it can't be helped as they help makes us who we are.

Opinions and ideas as to what may be happening to others are very welcome here... But there is a fine line between offering advice and preaching to the masses.

Please offer your opinions and advice... Then let the O/P's (and others) know that they can contact you via e-mail for more information, or that they may ask open questions 'on site' that way many can see the answers.

Thanks for the advice... I may have gone a bit far by listing the 'links' the way I did but rest assured there was a resason for that.

Hope yours and everyone's; was a Very Happy Christmas.

Respectfully,

Rook

Excellently said Rook.

I hope that you had an excellent Christmas ❤

oh rook a word of advice. That is a lot of information at once, most teenagers just ignore it. You might want to simplify the message for teenagers, at least that is what my high school students have told me. Remember I have a touch of ADHD and tend to burst forth with a lot of information too, but I'm working on it. Because teaching is only 10 percent about what you know and the rest in the relationship between the teacher and the student and the art of communication. Peace and thanks for the links, I look forward to researching further into the topic.

however in my defense all the streams that I might have appeared "preachy" at, I've been in email conversation with the original postee of the experience and the author of the stream don't object to my words and since they were meant message for the author and not the WHOLE site, why the negative reactions? I thought we were having an open and honest discussion. Am I being told that I HAVE to censor religions out of all my messages? I'm sorry but that's not how think and its not worth having a conversation with anyone if you can't be honest and upfront about what you believe without pushing others to conform to those beliefs but in order that you may have a deeper understanding of the person your talking to by sharing their experiences.

Therefore, those who judge me harshly (I hear you voices, I know you're there) Ask yourself, are you judging my words and actions or only what you want to see my words and actions to be?

Peace to all who walk in light.

thanks perhaps you are right. Apologies to the site. Until story link reopens. A friend has I may borrow the use of his page and post my stories so if you are interested you may read them. If not then just ignore me, I'm used to it by now.

AnandaHya,

Thank you for the quote and the 'bump' back to the top. Wayward will find it when (if) he wants to address my question.

For you, I feel, it must be pointed out that this is the 'Real Psychic Experiences' site and not the 'Spiritual Experiences' site... (have you visited? Here is a link... Http://www.spiritual-experiences.com/)

While ones Religion may come into play as a Psychic it is not always a part of 'being one'.

Your prolific posting however has taken on a 'tone' of 'Preachyness' (look Ma new word...lol) That is not helpful to those that have come to this particular site seeking aid.

Your opinion is welcomed and valued, the 'object lessons' that have nothing to do with the O/P stories and just promote your Faith and/or Conversion are not what is needed here. We are not all demons, nor do we all summon them to do our 'bidding' or answer our questions.

If you believe you've have had a Dream inspired by God, then by all means share it in a story when the site re-opens for submissions... You may also consider that link I mentioned above, you may find a better reception there.

Respectfully,

Rook

Reposted quoted words by Rook so it'll be back up top:

The 'chaff' completely obscures my post I'll BUMP it back to the top...

Wayward,

This seems to have started without me... But after reviewing everything that has been said sense I asked about an Open and Honest debate, I still have a few questions. (I'll pull quotes in so there is no misunderstanding...) I can wait for the answers until Sunday, take as long as you need. ANNNNDDD AAWWAY WE GO!

In your first 'story' you mention it was close to the beginning of July, THIS YEAR that you... (quote from your First Story)

"A couple of weeks ago, I was doing some reading on many different websites from the results of a random search of the elements. I came across the terms 'elemental entities', 'elemental spirits', 'devas', 'elementalists', and a few others that had me intrigued. I knew in that instant that I had stumbled upon something that had something to do with me."

Then you go on to say...

"So, I went outside and simply listened while meditating. After I felt like I could try to reach out to nature, I mentally called to any elemental spirits and asked them to manifest so that I may speak with them. I just simply waited and listened."

I can so relate to doing things like this, many times have I done something like this while seeking answers... (more on that later)

In your second story you say...

"my powers have grown and developed. I have an affinity for all seven of the elements of nature. Water, fire, earth, wind, lightning, light, and dark. I also have several other powers related to nature spirits, along with the standard sensory powers. In addition to this, I am what is called the Prime Elementalist, or Primo Elementum, or San'qui'ran. This means that I'm meant to master those seven elements and be the guide for other elementalists."

If a 'time frame' is developed from this it seems you have gone from learning about your abilities to Mastering them enough to be a Teacher in a 3 month time frame. Could you please explain to me how that is possible? If you had a 'teacher' or had done any research before this time... How long did you study with 'them' (I don't care who, just the time frame) Or if you are 'self taught' which books or 'on line' resources did you use?

I can believe that one can learn from Spirit's having been 'taught' by Spirit's myself... I have even been taught things by my Tarot Deck (the one mentioned in my story... This will be explained in a story to come once posting is open again...)

Please, for the record, could you list any of those first web sites that your research led you to? I for one would lke to read the information they contain.

Now...for the record (on my side)...When I researched some of the terms you list in your second story I found the following... (I'll list the term first then a 'link' or two from that search...)

7 Elements - First link - www.friesian.com/elements.htm (which is a link to THE GREEK, INDIAN, & CHINESE ELEMENTS -- SEVEN ELEMENT THEORY)

Second Link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_7_element (which is wikipedia about A Group 7 element is one in the series of elements in group 7 (IUPAC style) in the periodic table...)

Thrid link - www.sixthsense.org/swirl/09_html (this is a metaphysical web sight that lists the elements as being... Gas, Fire, Liquid, Solid, Ether, Electric energy, and Magnetic energy)

Prime Elementalist - First link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.vakermit.com/rpg/pleasure_dome/files/BookOfMagic.pdf (which is a PDF file for a d10 roll in a roll playing game) Third Link... Wiki.guildwars.com/.../Guide_to_playing_as_an_elementalist (well the link says it all... A guide to playing as an elementalist in an on-line game called Guid Wars)

Primo Elementum - Fisrt link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.danielecapecchi.com (hope you can read Latin...)

Thrid link... Books.google.com/books?id=TA-l3gysWaUC... (Latin again, but this is a Google books result). The 8th (EIGHTH) link is... Www.thebookmarkshop.com/.../latindictionary2.htm - United Kingdom (English-Latin Dictionary)

San'qui'ran - First link... Right back to your story... And a story posted here in July of 2010 (http://www.psychic-experiences.com/real-psychic-story.php?story=5251) as posted by graysondr.

Second link - well my search starts breaking down the word you used into parts... The next link is this... En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an (Observations on Early Qur'an Manuscripts) and while that's intresting, it's not quite 'on topic' is it?

Gaian - First link -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaian (intresting definitions here...)

Second link - www.gaiaonline.com (An online hangout, incorporating social networking, forums, gaming and a virtual world)

Third link - www.gaian-mind.com (some sort of Festival... That happened in June 2009)

And the last word I searched was...

Elementalist - First link through at least the first 9 were links to either Guild Wars or World of Warcraft sites.

It's links like these that have me wondering... Well wondering about quite a few things...

Respectfully,

Rook

Just thought I'd repost it for you rook so it wouldn't get lost. You don't have issue with me do you. Someone emailed me and said that you might, but I would like to think everyone here is mature enough to be upfront and honest about things like that...

sorry I meant to write that Elohim is PLURAL form of Eloh which means Spirit Beings. The prophet Samuel spirit was called an elohim when the medium raised him from the dead for King Saul. (or was it that they saw elohim rise out of the earth and he was amongst them...) God told Moses to be an eLohim "god" to the pharoah. They translate it "judge" but for people who see more than the physical realm. I think it means Beings of Light, the Mighty ones, the Gods... It has also be used to describe what the church labels as "false gods" Same word, why so many definitions? I don't know that is why I brought up the subject to see if any of the SCHOLARS here had an opinion. I've expressed mine but I'm still researching it and could be mistaken.

Oh by the way Jesus quoted a psalm 82 which said "does not your scripture tell you that YOU ARE GODS." Jesus merely claimed to be the SON of GOD and called us His sisters and brothers. So what is people's opinion on that? Are we Gods? Are we brothers and sisters of Jesus and children of GOD?

Are you ready to live to your fullest potential? You see people who don't remember their dreams, spent half their life asleep. Maybe its time to wake up? That is the Buddhist idea of Enlightenment

oh I should explain why I call myself "Christian" it is because Jesus is the only religious figure that came on earth and DIED for the Earth that I've heard of. None of the stories of the other "gods" talked about a human reincarnation and self sacrifice to save this planet. I believe only the GOD of this world would make such a sacrifice. But I think it is more important to look and follow His teachings then to merely "profess faith in Jesus Christ as Lord" come on now, even the devil believes that ther is a GOd. Sorry to go into a rant but I don't like being labelled or place into a nice tidy box and tossed away.

Either way I think it is vital to treat others with RESPECT.

i think people are reading into my words what they want too. I think there is one GOD for each solar system who has three aspects: Father, mother and spirit (its in the Bible by the way) and I think all religions hint at this. I believe that the bible was written for this solar system NOT the entire universe. I think ther are other worlds out there with different "scientific" laws, beings and "gods" Elohim is a Hebrew word that I believe has been mistranslated by the world. I think it means a being of Spirit. I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone. I was just expressing some ideas I had to see if there was any rational and scientifically testable bases for it. I believe that the spirit world is where we go at night when we sleep.

In the bible the sun, moon and stars are not created until the third "day" which means it can't be "twenty four solar hours" because THE BIBLE says there was no sun.

A church mistranslation. I believe the true christain church was massacred like the jewish and cambodian holocaust. I believe the holy people who try and teach GOD who created us TRUE words are assasinated. I believe that more than one path leads to GOD. Acutally I think it is necessary to study all paths to get the full picture because like language, the knowledge has been fractured in attempt to destroy it. For example, where are the stories of the WOMEN disciples of Jesus. There is mention of them in the Bible that still exist in this world. I think the Bible we see now in the world is a "half truth" which for some would call it a lie but there is a different. What it tells is true, just not how mankind has interperted thus far. In my opinion at least.

On the side not I talked to my brother in law who is wiccan and he gave me a kernel of knowledge that rings true in my heart. Tell me if you hear the same melody:

"There is a plant placed on this Earth to cure all disease known to man."

You see the witch hunts tried to kill off God's truth too. I believe in the dual aspect of GOD "male and female God made them" Genesis. Please do not judge me by other "christains" you may have meet.

I come in peace. May the love and light of God shine on all those who do Their will on Earth and Heaven.

There are many people on this site that do not see Yahweh as the one and only god. Please refrain from pushing your own religious beliefs.

Religious beliefs are a matter of opinions, not facts.

Merry Christmas

I regret to ask this but, what...? I just completely lost track of what's happening. Who's elohim, and what war god o_o

AnandaHya
I believe in your experiences with yahweh/elohim for I am like you who witnessed his might and prescence our one and only powerful god of war namely Elohim. There is no othergods or godessess besides him.

thanks rook and shimigami I haven't had to read all the post and just joined recently. I appreciate the advisory.:)

Shinigami0,

I had noticed that 'Correlation' and rest assured once things here have been discussed...

There are just so many questions I have/want to ask of SOME posters on this site that I'll have to pace mysef so that proper attention is given to each individual.

Happy Christmas!

😆

Respectfully,

Rook

Really Shinigami? That's interesting. I knew Eric had a similar symbol like Paymon, but I never knew others had it. Something to look for ^_^.

Rook- Your post actually reminded me of a related topic you may be interested in looking up, for further questions.

I've been looking at a few stories from the posters that seem to be in relation to one another, and I've come across an opposite group from these "Gaians". If you look at some of the stories posted by "Eric Baal", then retrace back through the comments made by one called "Paymon" as well as others from his favorite list, and also from the opposite spectrum, you will notice that some
have similiar icons for their profiles. I looked these up, and came across links for something called "Goetia", or as it translates, "The Key of Solomon". Now, from what they state, it is unclear to me as to why they would call themselves this, as it means the opposite of their intentions.
Food for thought. 😊 ❤

Here are the links:

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetia

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon

Http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/goetia.htm

It seems this group has put more thought into it than the other, but still...

It would be interesting to see your take on it, Rook. 😊

Before the 'chaff' completely obscures my post I'll BUMP it back to the top...

Wayward,

This seems to have started without me... But after reviewing everything that has been said sense I asked about an Open and Honest debate, I still have a few questions. (I'll pull quotes in so there is no misunderstanding...) I can wait for the answers until Sunday, take as long as you need. ANNNNDDD AAWWAY WE GO!

In your first 'story' you mention it was close to the beginning of July, THIS YEAR that you... (quote from your First Story)

"A couple of weeks ago, I was doing some reading on many different websites from the results of a random search of the elements. I came across the terms 'elemental entities', 'elemental spirits', 'devas', 'elementalists', and a few others that had me intrigued. I knew in that instant that I had stumbled upon something that had something to do with me."

Then you go on to say...

"So, I went outside and simply listened while meditating. After I felt like I could try to reach out to nature, I mentally called to any elemental spirits and asked them to manifest so that I may speak with them. I just simply waited and listened."

I can so relate to doing things like this, many times have I done something like this while seeking answers... (more on that later)

In your second story you say...

"my powers have grown and developed. I have an affinity for all seven of the elements of nature. Water, fire, earth, wind, lightning, light, and dark. I also have several other powers related to nature spirits, along with the standard sensory powers. In addition to this, I am what is called the Prime Elementalist, or Primo Elementum, or San'qui'ran. This means that I'm meant to master those seven elements and be the guide for other elementalists."

If a 'time frame' is developed from this it seems you have gone from learning about your abilities to Mastering them enough to be a Teacher in a 3 month time frame. Could you please explain to me how that is possible? If you had a 'teacher' or had done any research before this time... How long did you study with 'them' (I don't care who, just the time frame) Or if you are 'self taught' which books or 'on line' resources did you use?

I can believe that one can learn from Spirit's having been 'taught' by Spirit's myself... I have even been taught things by my Tarot Deck (the one mentioned in my story... This will be explained in a story to come once posting is open again...)

Please, for the record, could you list any of those first web sites that your research led you to? I for one would lke to read the information they contain.

Now...for the record (on my side)...When I researched some of the terms you list in your second story I found the following... (I'll list the term first then a 'link' or two from that search...)

7 Elements - First link - www.friesian.com/elements.htm (which is a link to THE GREEK, INDIAN, & CHINESE ELEMENTS -- SEVEN ELEMENT THEORY)

Second Link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_7_element (which is wikipedia about A Group 7 element is one in the series of elements in group 7 (IUPAC style) in the periodic table...)

Thrid link - www.sixthsense.org/swirl/09_html (this is a metaphysical web sight that lists the elements as being... Gas, Fire, Liquid, Solid, Ether, Electric energy, and Magnetic energy)

Prime Elementalist - First link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.vakermit.com/rpg/pleasure_dome/files/BookOfMagic.pdf (which is a PDF file for a d10 roll in a roll playing game) Third Link... Wiki.guildwars.com/.../Guide_to_playing_as_an_elementalist (well the link says it all... A guide to playing as an elementalist in an on-line game called Guid Wars)

Primo Elementum - Fisrt link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.danielecapecchi.com (hope you can read Latin...)

Thrid link... Books.google.com/books?id=TA-l3gysWaUC... (Latin again, but this is a Google books result). The 8th (EIGHTH) link is... Www.thebookmarkshop.com/.../latindictionary2.htm - United Kingdom (English-Latin Dictionary)

San'qui'ran - First link... Right back to your story... And a story posted here in July of 2010 (http://www.psychic-experiences.com/real-psychic-story.php?story=5251) as posted by graysondr.

Second link - well my search starts breaking down the word you used into parts... The next link is this... En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an (Observations on Early Qur'an Manuscripts) and while that's intresting, it's not quite 'on topic' is it?

Gaian - First link -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaian (intresting definitions here...)

Second link - www.gaiaonline.com (An online hangout, incorporating social networking, forums, gaming and a virtual world)

Third link - www.gaian-mind.com (some sort of Festival... That happened in June 2009)

And the last word I searched was...

Elementalist - First link through at least the first 9 were links to either Guild Wars or World of Warcraft sites.

It's links like these that have me wondering... Well wondering about quite a few things...

Respectfully,

Rook

"See if you spoke from personal experiences you would get more respect and love from the people on this site."

So then, what in God's name WOULD I be talking from, if it weren't from my personal experiences. Seriously... Everything I mention about me, has happened to me, what's the point of lying over the internet? 😕

dc I'm just teaching as I was taught, I'm sorry if you don't like the methods. I didn't like them either but it worked for me so who am I to complain?

I don't know of any other way to be, its a family tradition and I'm using their methods. See most of my family died during the killing fields. So I have a lot of voices speaking to me. Like big family reunion were everyone wants to give you advice. I just do stuff to get them off my back. I would love to see the clouds but I'm just doing it to keep them from nagging me.

ok bbdeathspark, I can respect that. See if you spoke from personal experiences you would get more respect and love from the people on this site. Sometimes people say things to test your reaction and defenses. My teacher was my grandfather and if you knew my family they have a wicked sense of humor and would think it hilarous if I went out the door half naked because I was in such a hurry and actually took everything they had to say at face value. I'm just telling you things I learned the hard way. No offense meant but my spirit guide likes to play tricks on me. Even if he love me and guides me. He is not GOD just a loving family member that protects me. Would you worship and take everything your parents say at face value?

When you say He, I'm assuming you mean Tiron, in which case, without him I'd probably be a mental wreck. Also, without him I wouldn't be able to get a grip on my abilities, more than that stray spirit Raymond could do.

Ananda, do not presume that you hold all the knowledge of the ages, there is still much you have left to learn yourself. Slow down and watch the clouds for five minutes, and let the world catch up to you. It won't hurt, you know. ❤

apologize if I'm wrong. I hope he trully helps. Would you like to share of your life and how he has helped? Not stories of others experiences but the aid offered in your own?

Ok Ananda, that's getting REALLY annoying now. As I said before, Raymond was a spirit I helped before to cross, unknowingly. He tried messing with me. My real and true spirit guide is Tiron, so whichever Raymond your talking about is decieving you. Ok? Second of all, stop saying I make deals with demons, it contradicts my whole purpose. Please, if you don't know what goes on in my life, don't replace it with fantasies like that, it really annoys me. Ok?

oh DC if you walked around seeing demons casted to hell daily, would you say the same thing? If you seek to be wise, first seek to be kind.

Give God a give for Christmas this year: LOVE one ANOTHER.

Please.

you want to know what I saw when I asked about the council at nicene? It was not nice

They came out in white robes and chasing after demons they created, and all the women and children were sacrificed on their altar of holiness. There is more too it I just chose not to speak of it.

all religious books in this world are corrupt or incomplete. Listen to the one written in your heart that GOD placed there before you were born. Testimony of GOD from the bible: on earth = fire, water and spirit
In heave = Father, Mother ("word") spirit

I'll give you chapter and verse if necessary I found that in what remains of the bible. Women have been systemically destroyed in the bible but they failed at getting it all purged out:

For example Deborah was a judge "elohim" for the people...

has anyone wondered why the christian church are so scared of the woman aspect of God?

THink about it: monthy blood sacrifice. The world would be different if the priestess had their book.

apologies but I was afraid your comment might hurt his feelings. I'm slightly protective. I misunderstood your intent. I felt like you were making fun of him for sleeping and wantted to make sure he didn't read that as well and feel guilty for it.

We have to watch our words. Our sword is sharper and wound deeper.

AnandaHya, This is not a fist fight. Please don't make it sound like one. That is not helping. No one here wants conflict. Not every disagreement is a raging inferno either. And yes, maybe I took advantage of the moment and said something that wasn't all that nice, that's something I'll have to work on more. But the people using this site have also got a responsibility to the site and it's other users to play fair. If there is a question posed having to do with how they know what they do, or where they got their information, you must let them answer on their own. You should not assume the worst.

sorry wayward I speak to your guardian who happens to be female/ it keeps slipping gender isn't that important

Explanation of wiccan traditon: four elements make up the human body with the fifth: spirit that ties to people together

My husband has fire and earth and is more grounded and gets angry easier, he is the protector and keeper of our earthly treasures

I'm air and water, we are tied by our spirit. In my dreams as a kid I used to ask him to go flying with me but he was too busy fighting wars.

ok I haven't had a chance to check out all the sites but I can guess at how she learned so much in such a "short" amount of time. Time is realitivf. When taken into other realms I've spent thousands of years and woke up and only a minute of this world's time has passed. Sometimes when I touch people their issues with their past life will run like a tv show before my eyes. That is the nature of time.

The mistake people make is that the BIBle and scientific books are all true but they only speak of this world and things that have already happened. Read the bible as a history of the spiritual world and you will see things you didn't realize were there. For example how this world was created from seven elements with the help of the elohim then divided into nation with elohim for each nation: Jesus and consort, the prince of elohim, got the jewish people, shiva and consort got the Indian people and so forthe and so on.

Does that help clear up any darkness?

Why oh why did the church listen to the leaven of the pharisees?

Because the killed all other voices, just like they tried to kill the jews in the holocaust and the Cambodians in the killing fields and all the bright lights they try to make darkness. DO not give in tothe darkness. Trust the voices in your heart charka, not your mind charka.

i want to remind everyone though he sounds older he is only fourteen, I think... Might have messed up screen names but this one I think is very young. So be nice people and don't make fun of him for doing his work in dreams instead of answering your questions. We learn during the day and reveiw our lessons at night. During delta sleep we stand ine presence of God and are given our allotment ofenergy and punishment for sins people hold us accountable for. So make sure you come to the throne with clean hands people judgement it happens nightly. Don't listen to the leaven of the pharisees they are both blind and deaf.

Wayward,

This seems to have started without me... But after reviewing everything that has been said sense I asked about an Open and Honest debate, I still have a few questions. (I'll pull quotes in so there is no mis-understanding...) I can wait for the answers until Sunday, take as long as you need. ANNNNDDD AAWWAY WE GO!

In your first 'story' you mention it was close to the beginng of July, THIS YEAR that you... (quote from your First Story)

"A couple of weeks ago, I was doing some reading on many different websites from the results of a random search of the elements. I came across the terms 'elemental entities', 'elemental spirits', 'devas', 'elementalists', and a few others that had me intrigued. I knew in that instant that I had stumbled upon something that had something to do with me."

Then you go on to say...

"So, I went outside and simply listened while meditating. After I felt like I could try to reach out to nature, I mentally called to any elemental spirits and asked them to manifest so that I may speak with them. I just simply waited and listened."

I can so relate to doing things like this, many times have I done something like this while seeking answers... (more on that later)

In your second story you say...

"my powers have grown and developed. I have an affinity for all seven of the elements of nature. Water, fire, earth, wind, lightning, light, and dark. I also have several other powers related to nature spirits, along with the standard sensory powers. In addition to this, I am what is called the Prime Elementalist, or Primo Elementum, or San'qui'ran. This means that I'm meant to master those seven elements and be the guide for other elementalists."

If a 'time frame' is developed from this it seems you have gone from learning about your abilities to Mastering them enough to be a Teacher in a 3 month time frame. Could you please explain to me how that is possible? If you had a 'teacher' or had done any research before this time... How long did you study with 'them' (I don't care who, just the time frame) Or if you are 'self taught' which books or 'on line' resources did you use?

I can believe that one can learn from Spirit's having been 'taught' by Spirit's myself... I have even been taught things by my Tarot Deck (the one mentioned in my story... This will be expained in a story to come once posting is open again...)

Please, for the record, could you list any of those first web sites that your research led you to? I for one would lke to read the information they contain.

Now...for the record (on myside)...When I reseached some of the terms you list in your second story I find the following... (I'll list the term first then a 'link' or two from that search...)

7 Elements - First link - www.friesian.com/elements.htm (which is a link to THE GREEK, INDIAN, & CHINESE ELEMENTS -- SEVEN ELEMENT THEORY)

Second Link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_7_element (which is wikipedia about A Group 7 element is one in the series of elements in group 7 (IUPAC style) in the periodic table...)

Thrid link - www.sixthsense.org/swirl/09_html (this is a metaphysical web sight that lists the elements as being... Gas, Fire, Liquid, Solid, Ether, Electric energy, and Magnetic energy)

Prime Elementalist - First link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.vakermit.com/rpg/pleasure_dome/files/BookOfMagic.pdf (which is a PDF file for a d10 roll in a roll playing game) Third Link... Wiki.guildwars.com/.../Guide_to_playing_as_an_elementalist (well the link says it all... A guide to playing as an elementalist in an on-line game called Guid Wars)

Primo Elementum - Fisrt link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.danielecapecchi.com (hope you can read Latin...)

Thrid link... Books.google.com/books?id=TA-l3gysWaUC... (Latin again, but this is a Google books result). The 8th (EIGHTH) link is... Www.thebookmarkshop.com/.../latindictionary2.htm - United Kingdom (English-Latin Dictionary)

San'qui'ran - First link... Right back to your story... And a story posted here in July of 2010 (http://www.psychic-experiences.com/real-psychic-story.php?story=5251) as posted by graysondr.

Second link - well my search starts breaking down the word you used into parts... The next link is this... En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an (Observations on Early Qur'an Manuscripts) and while that's intresting, it's not quite 'on topic' is it?

Gaian - First link -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaian (intresting definitions here...)

Second link - www.gaiaonline.com (An online hangout, incorporating social networking, forums, gaming and a virtual world)

Third link - www.gaian-mind.com (some sort of Festival... That happened in June 2009)

And the last word I searched was...

Elementalist - First link through at least the first 9 were links to either Guild Wars or World of Warcraft sites.

It's links like these that have me wondering... Well wondering about quite a few things...

Respectfully,

Rook

ok now if if you are done with broadcasting your messages folks I'd like some sleep. PLEASE DO NOT think of me. DO NOT send your angels to ask me questions. Figure it out yourself or keep it in the material plane. Its annoy. My family needs me too you know.

oh sorry bbdeathspark, raymond reminded me you had a question... I was adopted by a pair of dragons in one of my dreams they lived in a volcano and taught me the art of flying and opening and closing gates to other worlds. It toke me 7 years without shortcuts to master it. Are you willing to dedicate that much of your life and thought process to do the same? STOP MAKING DEALS WITH DEMONS. There is a reason why GOD toke away their material bodies and they can no longer breath the name of GOD who created them and the are NOT meant to be heard. You sin against GOD for you action of giving them voice. Jesus spoke to the devil and rebuked him. YOU "make deals" with them. Think know who the world judges as wise, a fourteen year old boy or the LORD of THIS world?

epoy. The "Gabriel" is the messenger angel that reveled itself to Mary mother of Jesus.

Did your know that "archangel Michael" Means "Prince of Angels: the one who is like God"? Mmm remind you of anyone?

hey epoy read my profile if you want a story about God's power in this world that happened in my life: flood waters from sunday the day I was baptized until thursday. More rain than had fallen since hurrican floyd in 1999. I saw angels marching in the skies, cherubim, in answers to my prayers for reinforcements to cast out demons... Trust in your dreams and follow where the LORD leads you. That's why I'm on this site. I had a dream bout it in may of this year.

lol DCinAz you make me laugh. Thank you. I'm actually a subsitute high school teacher in "real" life.;)

AnandaHya
I add 1 points to some of the comments here. I do believe on your comment because I had seen god by means of a vivid dream since childhood. I would love to share this to you about my real spiritual experience so that you know that he is real because I am one of his witnesses by seeing heavenly angels. My story here is not fake but I won't force you to believe it is fine by me I am not mad. I was once a unbeliever but this experience changed my faith to the one and powerful god namely yahweh.
Http://www.spiritual-experiences.com/real-spiritual-story.php?story=459

I am a sinner yet his heavenly angels always saved me many times from death. I had seen saint michael the archangel and st gabriel the archangel by means of a vivid dream. They always turn my dream from a deadly nightmare to a very beautiful dream.
😊 😉 ❤

oh the confusion concerning the elements. You guys are trying to see them with material eyes instead of spiritual ones. Try opening your third eye charka then come back and talk to us. I'm from an eastern religous background so I believe in the 7 chakras and 7 elements and 7 planes of spirit that naturally occur in this world. Most live in the red one. I'm in the blue one right now. What color is your aura?

oh I just posted a dream I had at the indigo children site about us. You might want to check it out. It woke me up out of a dead sleep at 2am so it might be important.

Very subdued and polite. Now if we could just take a moment and reflect, we can see that it wasn't the big 'rage-in-the-cage' event that some had hoped for. It's a good example to show what can happen if you're not prepared to answer to the claims being made. Do your homework and know the subject, be prepared for the high fast pitches, but watch out for the low and inside, it's a killer. And just a reminder, she was a substitute folks, a stand-in, if you will.

Ahahaha! He just yawns and shuffles off? Man, that says all I need to know about this guy, I thought he'd at least make it to round four or five! Ha! That's what I get for thinking, huh? I predicted this very scenario last nite! I should have put money on it. Dang! Oh well. (brushing my hands off as I skip away...) Lalal

I will most likely not be responding until Sunday. As you are probably aware, it is Christmas Eve tomorrow, and Christmas Day on Saturday. I do not intend to be on here during that time. Goodnight all.

Blessed Be,
WaywardElementalist

[at] Shinigami: I can assure you that I do not play Final Fantasy games. And as I stated, I was speaking energetically (by this I mean astrally, or the non-physical side of the element), not physically. Energetically, lightning is the glue that holds together the to other elements because it is the result of their clash. The other four elements naturally oppose each other, creating tension and energy. To find balance, there is lightning, acting as the mediator.

Also, after doing research, would Lightning not be a tertiary element of fire and air? If you look at how Lightning (also in the form of static electricity and the electricity we use in our daily lives), one would see that different occurances are required in order to produce it.

Now, as for lightning, a few factors are needed. First, you need cold air and warm air, which in turn cause ice crystals within the cloud to bump together, which also moves the air that has been already added. As you can imagine friction would have a say, which in turn causes static electricity. Once the charges are right, the cloud releases this bottled energy, in several different lightning 'strokes', which make up one 'strike', which is what we see. This strike will go back into the cloud, which in turn heats the air, causing it to spread apart. This is also how the thunder is created.

This also does not necessarily make it the 'glue', as the element Earth is not needed 100 percent of the time.

There are more sources that deem lightning a product of light or fire, as well.

The only sourse I was able to find that listed Lightning as a seperate element was a link to the Final Fantasy game series.

Here are my sources:

Http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/home/F_What_Causes_Lightning_Flash.html

Http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-11/1005583244.Sh.r.html

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ (classical_element)

Http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_ (Element)

[at] Shinigami: Maybe it isn't a matter of 'why me?', because trust me, I have asked myself that question many times. I do not know why they chose me. It could be a matter of listening, rather than telling also.

I believe that pretty much covers all the questions. I cannot tell you anything but the truth.

If it is alright with you, I would like to go to sleep now, and end this debate.

On another note, the only written information that I have been able to find/ remember, which contain '7 elements', or however, a compilation of different elements, are associated with the seven Chakras, found in Hinduism and Buddhism, which are:

Sahasrara (Crown) - Thought/Space
Ajn~a (Third Eye) - Light/Dark
Vishuddhi (Throat) - Ether/Sound
Anahata (Heart) - Air
Manipura (Navel) - Fire
Svadhisthana (Sacral) - Water
Muladhara (Root) - Earth

Two more elements which appear in different cultures are metal and wood, which could also be a subcategory of Earth. This belief was that of the Chinese culture:

Generating:
Wood feeds Fire;
Fire creates Earth (Ash);
Earth bears Metal;
Metal collects Water;
Water nourishes Wood.

Overcoming:
Wood parts Earth;
Earth absorbs Water;
Water quenches Fire;
Fire melts Metal;
Metal chops Wood.

Then, as we developed our knowledge of the elements, we also discovered the elements in the periodic table.

Still, I have yet to see a culture who ties in lightning to the elements, or one that doesn't categorize it as a subcategory.

If these guides were indeed to be correct, why would they just now choose to share this information? Also, why would it only be to you? On this subject matter, those two questions are the biggest that jump out at me.

Thank you. 😊 ❤

[at] Shinigami: I'd be happy to. Could be a bit more specific as to what exactly you don't understand about it? That would make explaining it to you much easier. 😊

One could also argue that most things exist naturally. That would imply that humans themselves would be elements as well. But you have a very good point. I'm afraid that I can't give any other reason why it isn't an element. Giving you a reason why is like trying to give you a reason why fire is one, or water. All I can tell you is that it simply isn't.

Wayward, I'm not sure how lightning is the 'glue' that binds. Could you elaborate more?

On another note, an element exists naturally, as does sound, so I'm not sure how it wouldn't be an element, as it is just as prominent as the others.

Thank you. 😊 ❤

Well, I'm back. I'll probably be a bit slow responding. I'm watching my little brother (aged 2) and he's quite a handful.

[at] Shinigami: My mistake. I was simply trying to separate light from sound. You would be incorrect in assuming that simply being energy would qualify as being an element. It is not really for me or anyone else to decide what qualifies. It just simply is.

[at] Ananada: It's shocking how accurate you were. That is certainly one way to view them. Except for the Luciferian part. Darkness does not always equate to evil as many believe. Just as their is light, there must be darkness. The two cannot exist own their own. They are intertwined.

Here is my point of view, and what I have been taught, and what I have learned on my journey so far as my powers have developed:

Fire, water, earth, and air are four separate elements, as you know. Naturally, they would clash. They must exist in harmony. This is where lightning comes in. It acts as the glue that holds them together, their balance. It is a separate element in and of itself. The other four cannot exist without it, and it without the other four. Now, here is where light and dark come in. They constantly clash and fight. Pure opposites. However, they, just like everything else, must exist in balance. The other five elements act as a way for them to exist in harmony. That is the best way I can describe it in a spiritual sense.

In regards to the body, the same concept can be applied. Water being our life, and the very blood that flows through us. Earth being our stability and physical being. Fire being our emotion. Wind being our intelligence and thought. Light and dark both existing in us, much in the same way people talk about there being both light and dark in everyone.

This is simply my interpretation and what I have learned.

Uhm, sorry to but in, but I just wanted to ask a question Ananda, So I understand better, When you say "clarification of point: she said that she had control of the entities who had control of the elements. " Who does She refer to?

Question what do you mean by the 7 elements:

Water, fire, earth, wind, lightning, light, and dark.

My hypothesis:

Water = molecule H20, free flowing cleansing energy (purification)

Fire = heat, by product of consumtion of matter (returning matter to the void)

Earth = matter, atoms, building blooks of nature (connection to this material realm)

Wind = air, needed for life on Earth (the spoken Word, the Bible is said to be the WORD that God used to speak the world into existance)

Lightning = electrons, negatively charged particles in motion (to maintain balance in the world, the law of Karma)

Light = photons, what is produced by the fusion/joining of two particles, (basis for all life energy, see Hindu tantric text)

Dark = void, outer space, vacuum of nothingness (space, emptiness, Luciferic religions?)

I don't know if that makes any sense. Ask specific questions and I'll try to explain.

hi sorry I didn't mean to imply you were forcing them to do anything. I treat my pets like another one of my kids. They all get spoiled rotten but we have an understanding and they have chores and duties even though my son is only 5 and daughter 2 years old. Sorry for the gender confusion.

I actually think the universe is created from just two elements: Matter and energy or "Siva (male) and Shakti (female, creation"

The bible states the trinity: Father, Word (wisdom), and Spirit in Heaven

Water, Fire, and Spirit on Earth.

Light is often misunderstood. It is considered both matter and energy. Photons have the nature of both.

Sound are compressed energy waves.

Things composed of atoms are matter.

But I think that energy takes many forms anc can interact with matter to create many things. Spirits are mostly energy, human bodies are made of matter. Sorry I feel like I'm babbling. I'll get it all together and post a story thread later. Remind me if I forget:)

I need to make a correction to a typo I just noticed- Sound IS the energy that is produced when objects vibrate.

Sorry about that. 😊 ❤

Wayward, sound in fact is the result of energy that objects produce while vibrating. If I'm correct in assuming that energy is a requirement of an element, would this not make it one?

I will quote a source for you:

"Sound is like light in some ways: it travels out from a definite source (such as an instrument or noisy machine), just as light travels out from the Sun or a light bulb.

If you would like to learn more, here is the quick source I found:

Http://www.explainthatstuff.com/sound.html

Thank you. 😊 ❤

My mother is taking quite some time to do her hair, so I have a few minutes to quickly reply.

[at] Ananda: (This is off topic, but I don't know if you meant to call me a she or not. Just to clarify, I am of the male gender.;) )

Truthfully, you are right. But I feel it is wrong to take away the free will of another. I tend to cooperate with the elements, working with them. And that is indeed an interesting story about that tree.

(I do know the song, and I love it as well.:) Good luck wrapping presents.)

Shinigami: To my knowledge, sound is not an element. Light is a form of energy. Some would say that it is the first from of physical energy, as plants use light to make food, and then we either eat plants, or eat things that have eaten plants, and the energy is transferred to a different form.

Sound is vibration. I suppose that one could argue that vibration requires energy, or generates it in some form. However, I am quite certain that it is not.

Thank you for taking the time to listen to what I have to say.:)

One more question, regarding the elements- If Light is an element, would Sound not also be an element? Just a thought.

Thank you. 😊 ❤

have fun with your family I have to go and wrap "santa" presents while the kids are asleep. Lol:) blessings to all who read and have eyes to see and ears to hear.:)

Mmm gotta wait again... Digress on the existence of santa? My mom tried but we never had the money to make it believable. Did that mean we were "bad" for not getting presents? Some mean school children would have liked me to believe it. Some spirits are like that mean kids that never grew up, just died and lost their clothes/bodies.

lol we were posting the same thing at the same time. Clarification on which point of the encounter. The demon was casted by my friend into the tree. It did not live there. But the tree was used to hang "witches" at least that's what I've been told. I haven't done the research, but the tree has since been cut down to make room for parking lots. (side note do you like the artist Jewel and her song "Who will save your soul?" its one of my favorites.

[at] My fellow debaters: I apologize, but this will probably be my last post until later on tonight. I must go somewhere with my family, and won't be back for quite some time. Once again, I apologize for the inconvenience of not having me post for a bit.

clarification of point: she said that she had control of the entities who had control of the elements.

Do you have control of your pets? I try to... Ok they say I have to wait two minutes to post. So I'll expound on an experiment and people can email me if they want to try it and their results. Science is not just being able to DO something but that other people can repeat the same experiment and get the same results.

Spiritual experiment 1: Teaching my parakeet how to sing hymns. Anyone want to get some and join my experiment. Email me and I'll send out my procedure. I'm trying to keep a daily observational journal.

[at] Amanda: That experience must have been terrifying for you. You say there was a demon possessing the oak tree? I realize it might be painful for you to talk about, but if possible could you elaborate on this?

[at] Shinigami: I am very aware of this fact. No offense is taken from you pointing this out. I kept a shield up when around them for the longest time, guarding from any possible manipulation that they may have wished to try.

As for your question, no I do not control the elements. I do however, work with them. To claim to be able to control the elements would be pure arrogance, and ignorance. I have learned how to speak with the elements, to ask for their help. My guides have taught me much of this, and much I have discovered for myself.

"The human being is made up of these five elements, in different combinations. The physiological function in the body is mediated by three substances (dravayas), which are made up of the five elements. They are Vatham, Pitham, and Kapam. In each and every cell of the body these three doshas co-exist and function harmoniously. The tissues are called dhatus. Vatham is formed by Akasa and Vayu. Vatham controls the nervous actions such as movement, sensation,etc.

Pitham is formed by fire and controls the metabolic activity of the body, digestion, assimilation, warmth, etc. Kapam is formed by earth and water and controls stability. When their equilibrium is upsets disease sets in. The chart below may help to visualize the different properties. In addition to the influence of the Tridoshas the seasons also affects body constituents.

The five elements:Earth, water, fire, air and ether."

Thats for just the human body. For the rest of the world we mix in two more. Any questions?

Http://mailerindia.com/hindu/veda/index.php?sidha

By the way this is the foundation for Eastern medicine. I wanted to be a doctor at one point in my life but decided to be a sciece teacher instead.:)

Wayward- This brings me to my next question- Entities can and will lie. They can evoke energy and certain emotions around us that will cause us to feel different things, perhaps to draw us in, or accomplish whatever purpose it is that they have. I mean no disrespect, but this is a possibility.

Secondly, you have stated in your stories that you have control over the elements. Could you elaborate?

Thank you. 😊 ❤

i had a real life experience, my first in this world that really scared me when I was 17 years old and had just declared my faith in Christ (because that is the path my husband chose to be reborn into)

I was climbing trees, which I do a lot back then and still do if I don't think people will catch me and look at me funny or my other duties don't interfer.

Most of the time I send out love and get back a bueatiful song that brings peace to my heart. It makes me happy, and I didn't care if people thought I was strange and called me a tree hugger. It was better thing to do then drugs or something...

I sent my love to one tree, a great old old oak tree and I felt like it was trying to draw me in and trap me into the tree so that it could take over my body and I got freaked out. I yelled for my friends to help me down from the tree (it was 10pm, I was in college) because the ground keep shifting in front of me. I thought if I try to get down by myself I'll get seriously hurt.

I walked to the next tree, a young sampling, and carefully probed what was going on. I saw the darkness spreading to the basketball court where my other friends were (this is at NC A&T's campus) as soon as my foot touched the pavement ALL the lights went out (my friends saw this too but not the darkness in the tree) I fell on my knees and prayed.

I saw an squad of angels gather the darkness and stuff it into a hole that openned into the ground. Then the portal closed

The light came back on.

Upon talking to one of my christian mentors who has golden eyes by the way, which I've never seen in a human before. All I got a chance to say was "i saw a demon in the old oak tree next to the basketball court yesterday after we saw each other" (he went to his room to study, and I hung out with our friends) he told me he saw a demon in his room the same night and had cast it out.
The oak tree can be seen right outside his window.

Scaried shiatless I don't tell many people this story. I was told that I didn't have to until I got baptized and to get baptized when I felt ready to tell the world and live by the word of GOD. So it toke me 10 years to get to this point in my life that I can talk about it.

Let me help you wayward, because I believe you and I've done the research let me dig out my religous studies text book it will be found in the tantric text of eastern religion... The vedas...

Also I believe the 7 elements I've had personal experience with them, but have been told to avoid this stuff. See my profile for why I listened I don't want to go into detail. I'll get the quotes soon.

[at] Shinigami: Truthfully, this information that I possess did not come from research on the internet. So therefore I cannot really site my source (s). I can however tell you where my information came from. Whether or not you choose to believe me is completely up to you.

I believe it was sometime in July of this year. I was meditating out side in my yard among my mother's garden. I decided to try something I've never done before. I decided to try and reach out to nature. So, I began sending out love and affection into nature, asking for some form of contact. Of course I made sure to have a shield up. One can never be too careful.

After much trying, I received no results. I was about to stop trying, when I felt five beings in front of me. Upon inspection of their energy, I was certain they were from nature. They informed me that they were my guides, and that more was to come. Ever since they have been around me. I talk to them always, and they've become some of my best friends. As time passed, two more guides came. These seven guides of mine were each of a different element.

After much discussion with them, I learned that there are seven elements. I did much research online and in any book I could get my hands on. I found no reference to suggest that they were telling the truth. However, I KNEW that they were. Do not ask how. Call it intuition. Call it clairvoyance. Call it what you wish. But I assure you that I trust them completely.

Wayward- Can you cite any information, as to where this idea of "7" elements comes from, if you have the same ideology as Bbdeathspark, regarding said elements?

In any research I have done regarding elements, there have only been the four- Fire, Air, Earth, and Water. Anything else, is organized into subcategories, regardless of the culture in question.

Thank you for allowing Rook to have this debate. Many of us have a lot of questions that we would appreciate to have answered. 😊 ❤

[at] Rook: I apologize for taking a bit to respond to this. I've had a long week and decided to sleep.

I agree, and I probably should have worded this differently. I was mainly directing this at the minority of individuals who enjoy running around from story to story telling others that they are wrong and there is no possibility of them telling the truth.

I would actually enjoy a friendly debate, provided it is friendly, not 'friendly' if that makes sense. Please, feel free to ask any questions you wish and I will answer them honestly and to the best of my ability.

i'm going to set back and watch a couple master at work lol.

Salem everyone Salem remember the peace word.

WaywardElementalist,

I'll start with a quote from your OP (as I so often do) So that it's clear where I am 'coming from'...

"P.S.- I ask that those who do not believe what I say refrain from making negative comments. If you don't believe me that is perfectly fine, but please do not try to force your opinion on me or others. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I would really prefer that you email them to me expressing your disbelief if you must."

How can an 'open and honest' debate take place under these conditions? I prefere to reply here in the comments section directly so that anyone reading may benifit from any information, that may be presented from either side, and therefore be able to use their free will to decide what is truth and what may be fiction.

So, how about it? May we have a True and Honest question and answer session here in the commens section of your 'story'? I have many questions I'd like to ask.

Respectfully,

Rook

it ok, you seem to be cleansing your mind stream of it with the help of your spirit guide. I'm glad we're friends:)

I apologize again for the mistranslation.

I was deep into a christian faith that suggested everything else other than christ is demonic.

I guess I still have some doctrines that needs to be weeded out of my system still.

ok Devas is NOT Hindu for demons. This is from some one with a Religous Studies degree here. I've studied Hinduism. I've read the vedas. Devas are considered what the western world call "angels" if you want to go into a religious debate about theology just email me Rasdishah, why all the negative post I've read from you? It makes no sense. Will research it...