Elemental Abilities And Entities 2

wayward if your reading this I sent you a very important message to your email please read it and think about it.

Wayward, I have a lot of faith in your abilities, which is why I'm making sure you know that lightning is a by product of extreme friction of air currents within cumulonimbus clouds, or thunderheads. Lightning is not an element of it's own I'm afraid. The "elements " of light and dark are the wholes of course made up of the parts which follow the descriptions of what makes something light or dark. Now, there are the elements of truth, knowledge, etc, but those are astral elements. The elements you seem to have such an affinity with are etheric.

newborn, I think karma ties all the beings and spirits we meet in our life to us somehow. Sometimes its positive and sometimes its negative. However, we can turn negative situations and emotions into positive ones if WE choose to act with Respect, as Rashidah suggests.

Rook and Ritefate thank you for the information, I'll have to store it for future access if anyone wishes to try to contact the spirits of elements.

Newborn, I'm not wayward, but I do know about his spirits. Tiron's a deva too, just to let it known.

"And the devas [ spirits ] can they be bad ones, but that want to be with you?"

His own aren't bad, just to set the record. Now for the question, yes there ARE bad elemental spirits, but once their intentions are known... They don'tremain elemental spirits anymore. Tiron doesn't want me to say why, so I'll say that they change "class", in a way. And I have NO idea about pets though.

Rashidah
I didn't mean control like, you saied it, I just can't really find my words because I'm not used to this all. I meant it like a friend who would want to be with you through life.

Newborn

I see these posts all over the place. Spirits do not allow people to control them. Why on earth will a being that is greater than someone will allow a human to control them?

In dealing with spirits, acting like if you are better or command them to do whatever you want them to do will make whoever dealing with them end up in serious trouble. For it is a sign of disrespect.

And the author of this story seems not to be on this site anymore.

I don't know about the devas but, I do think that an animal chooses you in some way. The urge to make a certain one your pet isn't just a coincidence. There is a way certain ones kind of draw you in, while others don't get a second look. I have heard of djinn taking up a life within an animal though, and they supposedly choose you.

Do you know anything about a connection with animals? And the devas [ spirits ] can they be bad ones, but that want to be with you? [ as in trust you and letting you control them ]

bbdeathspark,

We are still talking about working with the elements... Or more accurately the entities associated with them...

The 4 Primary Elements are 'forms' of energy that have taken on a particular aspect. There are Entities (Spirits...call them what you will) that are associated or have an affinity for a particular Element due to it's unique Characteristics. It is these Enitiies (Spirits) that are 'called' upon (evoked) when 'working' with a certian Element not the Element itself.

Let's see if I can make that clearer...

Element: Earth... Comprised of dirt, rocks, trees, bushes ect. Each of these has a certian 'form' of energy and certian Entities were (are) formed from this, BUT ARE NOT the object itself... The Earth Elementals... Dryads (wood nymphs) or which ever 'Earth Spirit' you wish to 'call upon' all come from / are comprised of 'Earths Energy' but 'EARTH' itself is not the Entity. I hope that makes some sort of sense.

RiteFate,

There are so many different ways of praticing they are hard to count. Sometimes it's just trail and error until you find what works for you. I know for me the combination was this:

North: Water: Winter (cold, clear... And while 'life' is not always seen in it is always present.

South: Earth: Fall (harvest time, a time to reflect and slow down in order to prepare)

East: Air: Spring (new life, a 'fresh' breath as things begin again)

West: Fire: Summer (heat, the 'growing' season)

I would change the 'direction' my alter faced based on the season... (ie the top of the pentagram (Spirit) would face North, South, East or West) depending on if it was Summer, Fall, Winter or Spring. I found this helped me focus on that which I was doing.

As far as knowing how you've done something...it's like a science experiment... Start with small mesureable things, keep a journal and 'log' your results. I always found (still do) that if what I was attempting worked I woul feel 'tired and drained' unless I was asking or 'attempting' to re-charge myself, I would then feel 'Stronger' for lack of a better word. I used thunderstorms for this purpose mostly as they have an abundence of energy.

I hope that helps... I don't claim to have all the answers, nor that my are the 'right ones' but I do know what worked for me and that is what I base my answers on.

Respectfully,

Rook

I am so confused...weren't we talking about the elemental spirits/possibility of working with elements and now were talking about pentagrams and invoking them o_o. You do realize the elements are spirits right?

Rook,
Well to be fair, the topic of the tread is Elemental related;) Yes, I noticed each direction was coordinating to a specific element. What was confusing to me, is there's many websites on the subject and each says to start or finish on a different element. For example for invoking Spirit, one person says to start from North and go down towards South (earth), while some say start on South (fire) and go left towards West (water). Seems there's multiple preferences, so which is true?

My biggest question though, is what HAPPENS when your successful in invoking an element? For what is its purpose? What would I be looking for to know it really worked?
Sorry I ask to many questions, that's how I was created, LOL.

Thanks! ❤ 😕

RiteFate,

You stated/ asked the following:

"From the research I've gathered you can invoke each element from the "direction" you make on the Pentagram or Pentacle. (North, West, East, South) I'm not sure if anyone's tried this?"

This was one of the 'Practices' I followed as a solo practitioner. When preforeming Ritual 'Magic', Asking for Blessings or Giving Thanks to the Earth Mother for... Well whatever... It's been a long while sense I've done this but each Cardnial Direction (North, South, East, West) represents one of the four primary elements (Earth, Air, Fire, Water)...

They really need to open up the 'story' board again as I've way more information to pass along than 'fits' here in the comments section.

I hope that this SHORT version of my answer is of some small help to you.

Respectfully,

Rook

i'll have to look at my notes for the meditative practice, email me and we'll discuss this farther.

Thanks for the website and the book recommendation I will see if I can find a copy of the book and research the practice.:) it make me happy to be engaged in intelligent conversation on meaningful topics:)

I'm not sure what wayward will think when he gets back from vacation, but anyways THANKS WAYWARD for use of your page.:)

Clupt012 [at] gmail.com

Ananda,
Yes... I have found this to be true, that we are holding inside of us what will one day become planets, solar-systems, galaxies...etc. There's a book called: The Law of One, and is channeled by the Ra group. Have you heard of this? It talks about this very concept. When I first read this it went over my head, but the more I study the more I find it to be true. Our nervous system, molecules and such rotate in the way our planets in our solar-system. This of course is a complex issue to discuss, but I love how everything is made up of the same energy. Even when our chakras line up to do Kundalini it rotates in the same fashion as our DNA.

You said, "There is a mediative practice I learned about in Tibetian Buddhism where the pratictioner mediates on purifying the different energies that make up the human body."

I would be interested in that meditation practice, if you wouldn't mind sharing. I recently learned about Falun Dafa which is the ancient teachings of Buddhism/Taoism. I like there practice because it reminds me of Jesus teachings. Turn the other cheek for example, instead FD explains why we turn the other cheek. By doing so, you actually gain White-matter OR Positive Energy, & the other person GAINS Black-Matter or KARMA.
I believe this is why some people have a difficult time in receiving Prana.
There are about 10 videos, I would suggest ANY gifted sensitive or psychic to watch. These are ANCIENT teachings!
If anyone is interested...
LECTURES:

Http://www.falundafa.org/eng/howtolearn.html

I personally have more knowledge than individual power. I guess I just rely on my friends in higher planes to help me if I want something accomplished. Alone I don't think I have any real power except in the dream/spirit worlds. I haven't tried much on the material plane, but that's why I'm this website to see what is possible by learning of others experiences and if it harms no one to try a few experiements. I'm trying to pyschically teach my birds and dogs through energy communications not just verbal or hand commands though I will use those to begin with then it will be done by thoughts alone. At least I hope it will if the experiment works.

Im just wondering here, but which of the elements do you all have? Also, if you do know... How many?

Im sure this thread attracted each of us for a reason, specifically gaining knowledge on this subject. So if you do know what you have, what exactly do you do with it?

From the research I've gathered you can invoke each element from the "direction" you make on the Pentagram or Pentacle. (North, West, East, South) I'm not sure if anyone's tried this?

Love & Light

I have an idea psinguine. Its just a theory but perhaps your soul mate is an empath that asborbs a lot of energy and will need your ability to balance out theirs so that they don't hold it all in but you can be the release... I'm not sure if that made any sense to anyone but me, but you could be a balancer for someone who naturally attracts energy, too much energy can be destructive to the material body. Kind of like overheating or something like that?

psinguine I'm not sure if I understand your condition. I'm glad you have the morality that prevents you from killing more complex organisms. You think it is a lack of prana production by your own body and therefore there is this need to feed?

Were you born with this need or was there an incident in your life that caused it?

It sounds like diabetes of the spirit, like you lack an enzyme like insulin.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with the "vampire" comment but that was not my intention. I was just inquirying to develop a better understanding of others.

The work I do I learned as a result of my need to feed. I've never killed a complex organism, although when I'm in desperate need I've pulled hard enough to strip everything from weaker organisms. Insects for example are very easy to kill, there's so little keeping them alive. The work I do isn't vampirism, its how I give back for what I take.

I know full well what I am, and I'm far from unique. You've never felt that hunger in your bones, that itch in your teeth, the pounding in your chest that says you're hungry. Faced down the drive to gorge and only taking what is necessary, rationing the people around you until you can find a crowd to fill up on, so you don't hurt anybody.

I keep it in check and my humanity in front. I don't know why I have this deficiency, but I live with it. It has come with perks, taught me a lot, with the consequence that I have to treat the people around me like an ant treats an aphid. If I could find a way to make my body produce sufficient prana I would take it. But I don't, so I harvest. And I give back when I can.

I think it's worth reposting:

A Collection Of My Paranormal Experiences Date: 2010-12-27

I just found the site and I think your story is amazing. I especially agree with this statement: "I believe that the key to being a good psychic is not meditation, but through practice. It's how you get better at anything in life."

I wouldn't call what you do with aura's a "psychic vampirism" it is more a form of communication. Normally when I do it I get an impression of the person's life or feelings. I always try and send some good thoughts or energy back to the person in exchange for what I asborb. It is like a spirit realm conversation. Sometimes I get stuck inside the other person's emotional state and that is not very pleasant. That is I meditate and pray to regain my equilibrium and love for the world. I was told to heal illness you would have to asborb the other persons darkness and purify it and send it back to them.

I was wondering if anyone looked at using their pyschic ability to helped the mentally ill. I think some of the disease are caused by pyschic problemsn not just physical ones. Improper alignment of the spirit body with the material one?

Yeah, I noticed what he ment right after I posted it. Where's the delete button when you need one -_-.

Sparky, read down a few posts and you'll understand. 😊

Psiguine, okay, I understand now about your "watcher". This subject is very intreguing, and I, for one, would love to hear more about it. Could you submit an account when the page re-opens?

I think I'll give the "edgy" shield a try for a while. Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe, if it's not too difficult, I'll make it edgy AND reflective. 😆 😆

Uhm should I ask? Ok, I will. What are you talking about in the first paragraph? Who did you send the programmed energy to... And why are you stating that? O_O

It wasn't a shadow person I sent. It can be best described as an extension of myself, partly autonomous, with a simple set of instructions to follow. It was designed to attach to her, like a pacemaker that runs off its host, and be my eyes and hands. So long as I kept part of my concentration on her and the connection open it kept working. If I let my concentration lapse it would implode, and she would be texting me right away wanting to know where I went. It was no great shakes to rebuild it, it was intended as a failsafe. The last thing I needed was a psionic parasite I couldn't control without forcibly reintegrating it and starting from scratch.

Keeping things like this under control is a delicate process. The young and egotistical tend to go too big, trusting their control more than they should. Ever watch spiderman 2? Where Doctor Octavious created those metal arms, which wound up taking on a mind of their own, until he was finally able to reclaim them? Similar idea, but a little less violent.

I apologize if this makes no sense. Normally topics like this are discussed with other people like me, or with otherwise similar understanding of the nuances of psionic vampirism. I may be going too fast.

Concerning the nuances of shielding, I have to admit to a lack of polish. Remember, due to my condition my aura has some unusual properties. I feed using extensions of it, its "got a taste for energy" if you will. If something comes inside my space it typically suffers for it. Giving energy back, reversing my natural inward flow, is something I have to concentrate on. My default is kind of instinctually carnivorous. I rarely concentrate on shielding except as exercise.

That said if I was you I would concentrate on reflective shielding. Failing that try for something you know well. Something smooth and polished. I'm not one to go for pranic source, but there are some that give in to the craving. Think outside of spheres as well. Start thinking in steep angles and sharp corners. Put your shielding in a mental wind tunnel, see how attacks would move around it.

As for greek mythology. I want anyone witha bible to read genesis chapter 6 verses 1 through 4. Then I want them to consider hercules. The sons of God, the bene elohim, refered to only a handful of times and always referring to divine beings. Hmmmm.

I am reading both to get an understanding of how people view this world that we all live in. And yes I meant what bbdeath said.

bbdeathspark,

I'm hoping that's the case. I really am, but you can see why I needed to ask as well do you not?

Respectfully,

Rook

Rook, maybe she ment them differently, like She's going to translate the bible using the spirit world, and then she's also reading Percy Jackson~ I love that book, it's what made me want to have psychic abilities in the first place. Too bad I'm not the Percy in this equation 😨 😭

AnandaHya,

I hesitate to 'go here' but I can not let this just go without saying something...

You have stated in a post...

"I'm retranslating the Bible via use of the spirit realm and reading the young adult fiction book: "the Lightning Thief" by Rick Riordan"

May I ask what they have in common? One is Fiction (as you stated) that draws on Greek Mythology and the other (The Bible) is a Colection of Stories and Tales (some proven historicly) that form the basis of many 'Great Religions', How can these be made to work together to create a 're-translation' of the Bible?

Respectfully,

Rook

RiteFate,

It seems that some of this is 'bound up' in individuals definitions of some of these terms... Spirit and Element for instance...

I think that we could go on and on with this debate and it would be a wonderful discussion. I also feel it is begining to wander away from the O/P main topic. I plan on posting a 'Story' when the boards are open for posting that this discussion will fit very nicely on. Please watch for it.

Wayward,

I once again 'BUMP' my questions for you to the top...

This seems to have started without me... But after reviewing everything that has been said sense I asked about an Open and Honest debate, I still have a few questions. (I'll pull quotes in so there is no misunderstanding...) I can wait for the answers until Sunday, take as long as you need. ANNNNDDD AAWWAY WE GO!

In your first 'story' you mention it was close to the beginning of July, THIS YEAR that you... (quote from your First Story)

"A couple of weeks ago, I was doing some reading on many different websites from the results of a random search of the elements. I came across the terms 'elemental entities', 'elemental spirits', 'devas', 'elementalists', and a few others that had me intrigued. I knew in that instant that I had stumbled upon something that had something to do with me."

Then you go on to say...

"So, I went outside and simply listened while meditating. After I felt like I could try to reach out to nature, I mentally called to any elemental spirits and asked them to manifest so that I may speak with them. I just simply waited and listened."

I can so relate to doing things like this, many times have I done something like this while seeking answers... (more on that later)

In your second story you say...

"my powers have grown and developed. I have an affinity for all seven of the elements of nature. Water, fire, earth, wind, lightning, light, and dark. I also have several other powers related to nature spirits, along with the standard sensory powers. In addition to this, I am what is called the Prime Elementalist, or Primo Elementum, or San'qui'ran. This means that I'm meant to master those seven elements and be the guide for other elementalists."

If a 'time frame' is developed from this it seems you have gone from learning about your abilities to Mastering them enough to be a Teacher in a 3 month time frame. Could you please explain to me how that is possible? If you had a 'teacher' or had done any research before this time... How long did you study with 'them' (I don't care who, just the time frame) Or if you are 'self taught' which books or 'on line' resources did you use?

I can believe that one can learn from Spirit's having been 'taught' by Spirit's myself... I have even been taught things by my Tarot Deck (the one mentioned in my story... This will be explained in a story to come once posting is open again...)

Please, for the record, could you list any of those first web sites that your research led you to? I for one would lke to read the information they contain.

Now...for the record (on my side)...When I researched some of the terms you list in your second story I found the following... (I'll list the term first then a 'link' or two from that search...)

7 Elements - First link - www.friesian.com/elements.htm (which is a link to THE GREEK, INDIAN, & CHINESE ELEMENTS -- SEVEN ELEMENT THEORY)

Second Link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_7_element (which is wikipedia about A Group 7 element is one in the series of elements in group 7 (IUPAC style) in the periodic table...)

Thrid link - www.sixthsense.org/swirl/09_html (this is a metaphysical web sight that lists the elements as being... Gas, Fire, Liquid, Solid, Ether, Electric energy, and Magnetic energy)

Prime Elementalist - First link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.vakermit.com/rpg/pleasure_dome/files/BookOfMagic.pdf (which is a PDF file for a d10 roll in a roll playing game) Third Link... Wiki.guildwars.com/.../Guide_to_playing_as_an_elementalist (well the link says it all... A guide to playing as an elementalist in an on-line game called Guid Wars)

Primo Elementum - Fisrt link... Here to your story... Second link... Www.danielecapecchi.com (hope you can read Latin...)

Thrid link... Books.google.com/books?id=TA-l3gysWaUC... (Latin again, but this is a Google books result). The 8th (EIGHTH) link is... Www.thebookmarkshop.com/.../latindictionary2.htm - United Kingdom (English-Latin Dictionary)

San'qui'ran - First link... Right back to your story... And a story posted here in July of 2010 (http://www.psychic-experiences.com/real-psychic-story.php?story=5251) as posted by graysondr.

Second link - well my search starts breaking down the word you used into parts... The next link is this... En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an (Observations on Early Qur'an Manuscripts) and while that's intresting, it's not quite 'on topic' is it?

Gaian - First link -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaian (intresting definitions here...)

Second link - www.gaiaonline.com (An online hangout, incorporating social networking, forums, gaming and a virtual world)

Third link - www.gaian-mind.com (some sort of Festival... That happened in June 2009)

And the last word I searched was...

Elementalist - First link through at least the first 9 were links to either Guild Wars or World of Warcraft sites.

It's links like these that have me wondering... Well wondering about quite a few things...

Respectfully,

Rook

I use the white light shield mostly. I have, on occasion, used the reflective one. I try not to use it a lot, however, as it's hard to control who the negative vibes go back to, even if I intend them to go only to a certain target. Does that make sense? 😆 I don't want to send negativity to someone who has no clue what's going on.

It's nice that you were able to help your friend. And it's interesting, as it seems to link with what AnandaHya was asking about shadow people. I believe that some shadow people are watchers, kind of informants for others. Interesting point.